tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post708959781418912487..comments2023-10-23T11:59:13.466-04:00Comments on let's stop pastor darrell gilyard together: Extending Grace - A powerful messageTiffany Thigpen Crofthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10301724004209862102noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-71491729527845304352011-10-06T15:57:31.614-04:002011-10-06T15:57:31.614-04:00American capitalist church syndrome, is that what ...American capitalist church syndrome, is that what happened?Solomonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806565400039542210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-16579694483735230162010-11-08T15:06:23.821-05:002010-11-08T15:06:23.821-05:00Hi this is Isaias Miranda. there are powerful stat...Hi this is Isaias Miranda. there are powerful statements in your blog. God is been preaching all over the world, that means Jesus Christ is about to come back as He said. go on and you'll be blessed and your generations. my blog: saias-80.blogspot.comisaiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09609066780108268141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-43544103430313954302009-06-15T21:31:44.760-04:002009-06-15T21:31:44.760-04:00I like what Mark said on another post and I would ...I like what Mark said on another post and I would like to echo it here:<br /><br />So what happens in this comment thread? THE EXACT OPPOSITE! What pride there is in those who feel always necessary to "one-up" the previous comment with their so-called better understanding of truth."<br /><br />Enough said! <br /><br />ToniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-79697342140636253662009-05-23T13:50:10.375-04:002009-05-23T13:50:10.375-04:00"So what happens in this comment thread? THE EXACT..."So what happens in this comment thread? THE EXACT OPPOSITE! What pride there is in those who feel always necessary to "one-up" the previous comment with their so-called better understanding of truth."<br /><br />You have wrongly judged me and others on this thread. We are concerned. Very concerned about wrong doctrines leading to wrong beliefs. Thinking one is saved when they display rotten fruit is nothing to ignore. It is about eternal life. Serious, serious, stuff.<br /><br />But you pronounce good as evil. And evil as good. Judging motives and calling us prideful. What does that make you? If you are saying truth does not matter because feelings are at stake then no pastor had better preach truth.<br /><br />" It's sad really....a beautiful moment in a courtroom has been turned to a ridiculous debate on things that are at best unknowable anyway. "<br /><br />That is a lie. Truth is knowable. God made sure of that by sending the Holy Spirit AND His Word to us.<br /><br /><br />"Feel free to respond but know that I have nothing more to say on the matter and refuse to get sucked further into this battle of which one has a better theological understanding of life."<br /><br />What else is worth knowing? As a matter of fact, the more we probe the wonders of God, the more we realize how little we know. But He has made sure that we can know the way of salvation and sanctification.<br /><br />If we truly love the Lord, these discussions would drive us to the <br />Word, prayerfully considering and meditating on each word of truth.<br /><br />My heart is deceitful. I know this because scripture teaches me that. I would rather get in on the good feelings and not worry so much about truth. But I know my carnal heart, that I fight daily, will gladly lead me astray.<br /><br />MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-43865747852430767222009-05-23T13:13:59.547-04:002009-05-23T13:13:59.547-04:00Why is it that people can't just read Tiffany's po...Why is it that people can't just read Tiffany's post for what it was intended to be: a celebration of light in the midst of so much darkness. Here she describes a woman who has every reason to be bitter, hateful, and judgmental and what does she do? She extends forgiveness and grace NOT judgment and arrogance. So what happens in this comment thread? THE EXACT OPPOSITE! What pride there is in those who feel always necessary to "one-up" the previous comment with their so-called better understanding of truth. It's sad really....a beautiful moment in a courtroom has been turned to a ridiculous debate on things that are at best unknowable anyway. <br /><br />John F. you miss the point as well. We only trying reason. But if you want to label it 'one up or arrogance," that's okay. I've been called worst. I pray that one day you to shall realize just how VERY IMPORTANT 'TRUTH' is.Sad as wellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-45773400422961019962009-05-23T11:25:22.583-04:002009-05-23T11:25:22.583-04:00Why is it that people can't just read Tiffany's po...Why is it that people can't just read Tiffany's post for what it was intended to be: a celebration of light in the midst of so much darkness. Here she describes a woman who has every reason to be bitter, hateful, and judgmental and what does she do? She extends forgiveness and grace NOT judgment and arrogance. So what happens in this comment thread? THE EXACT OPPOSITE! What pride there is in those who feel always necessary to "one-up" the previous comment with their so-called better understanding of truth. It's sad really....a beautiful moment in a courtroom has been turned to a ridiculous debate on things that are at best unknowable anyway. Feel free to respond but know that I have nothing more to say on the matter and refuse to get sucked further into this battle of which one has a better theological understanding of life.John F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01363990651393113635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-30414713169434230692009-05-23T11:24:08.270-04:002009-05-23T11:24:08.270-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.John F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01363990651393113635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-19737259035923831332009-05-22T23:48:14.675-04:002009-05-22T23:48:14.675-04:00God will have the last word.God will have the last word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-7696812635701140622009-05-22T23:21:27.039-04:002009-05-22T23:21:27.039-04:00I understand Mark.
Peace
CI understand Mark.<br /><br />Peace<br /><br />CAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-7598421934604486692009-05-22T22:01:28.366-04:002009-05-22T22:01:28.366-04:00"I agree with some of what you bible scholars are ..."I agree with some of what you bible scholars are saying. Satan knew the Word, true, however we cannot judge salvation."<br /><br />We have all made it clear that we are speaking of fruit. Which scripture says we CAN judge. Think about it, Paul had never even met the man in 1 Corin 5 but by reports from Chloe's people, he told them to kick him out of church so he could be SAVED. He was judging from afar. <br /><br />"We all have our opinions based on what people do but who really knows? Test the spirit by the spirit but in what spirit are you testing when you test?"<br /><br />The scripture is our guide. The Holy Spirit teaches us through the Word.<br /><br />"Once saved always saved."<br /><br />No. IF saved, always saved.<br /><br />It is very important for folks to understand Justification/Sanctfication. A person who is saved has a regenerated heart. Responding to an invitation, saying a prayer and even being baptized does not mean one is saved. If you believe that, you do not understand Matthew 5-7. <br /><br />"I think the point the woman was making is she would not hold malice in her heart for him and she has forgiven him. Context is so important."<br /><br />I agree with this. And I pray her forgiveness is used to convict his heart and he repents. Because her forgiveness can be used of God to convict our persecutors but it will NOT save Gilyard.<br /><br />" God will complete a good work if Gilyard is saved. I am not defending the man, however no one knows if a person is saved or not even if they act a fool. When we say that most of the time we are comparing the person to ourselves. I have been guilty of that in the past."<br /><br />No, you have not been reading here and just are parroting what some preacher has told you. AGain: No one knows who will be saved in the END. Jesus Christ allows the wheat to grow with the tares. BUT, we are taught to inspect fruit. Gilyard's is rotten and if you LOVE him, you will not affirm to him that he can consider himself saved without repentance.<br /><br />"Let’s not turn this blog into the attack the victim’s mother."<br /><br />No one has attacked anyone. That is a strawman and I am so sorry you felt the need to say that. We are trying to defend the Gospel to professing Christians! That is what makes this so very sad.<br /><br />I praise God she spoke of forgiveness. I am also very concerned that folks there will think that Gilyard has always been saved and could do this and expect eternal life with without repentance. Tiffany has cleared it up that the mother did tell him he must repent. I am so grateful to know that.<br /><br />No one is attacking anyone, Collins. People are so offended with the truth. We are told that in scripture, too. The Cross is offensive. And when we are faced with situations like this it becomes even more offensive because we are dealing with folks who have been shepherds and lived a lie.<br /><br />MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-85393086557523309412009-05-22T21:47:27.017-04:002009-05-22T21:47:27.017-04:00I don't see this as a personal attack on the mothe...I don't see this as a personal attack on the mother. The attack is on what was said. <br />Sorry, just shedding light that's all. No harm intended. Praise God for the mother.<br />Have a good nightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-13166065284349459312009-05-22T21:46:21.770-04:002009-05-22T21:46:21.770-04:00"As a matter of facts lets not talk about sin at a..."As a matter of facts lets not talk about sin at all is the message I AM HEARING FROM MOST OF OUR PULPITS,easy believism,watered down theology,plastic feel good platitudes that stir the emotions,but build no strong,stable theological foundation to increase our knowledge of God and His desires for how we live!"<br /><br />Pastor Rod, Another thing we are seeing is that many pastors are now defining sin for themselves. For example, we are hearing that any criticism/questioning/dissent of the pastor is a sin. Touch not think anointed is preached as protection for pastors quite a bit now. We are being told that blogging is a sin. Matthew 18 has been taught to mean we must approach a pastor in private about his PUBLIC teaching and/or behavior which is not true. <br /><br />I think you get my drift... <br /><br />MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-78357975568697018262009-05-22T21:42:02.709-04:002009-05-22T21:42:02.709-04:00Amen!
CollinsAmen!<br /><br />CollinsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-20752828598652159732009-05-22T21:29:43.730-04:002009-05-22T21:29:43.730-04:00Yes Collins, let it die because we are not gonna a...Yes Collins, let it die because we are not gonna agree. The Word has spoken though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-73017342293829477312009-05-22T20:36:53.018-04:002009-05-22T20:36:53.018-04:00Let's be honest people: When we mess up we do not...Let's be honest people: When we mess up we do not say, "I have sinned!" We say we made a mistake. Sin is sin, whether its minor or major. Gilyard sinned. he doesn't get it yet, but He will and if he doesn't he'll continue to pay the price however God sees fit.<br /><br />To the mother, I thank God for your perseverance and courage to hang in there with this case. I'm sure after more than a year, you are relieved that this is finally coming to a close.<br /><br />God bless you and your family as well as other victims who did not come forward or was of age when it happened to them.<br /><br />ToniAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-14041924469934326122009-05-22T20:25:45.885-04:002009-05-22T20:25:45.885-04:00I agree with some of what you bible scholars are s...I agree with some of what you bible scholars are saying. Satan knew the Word, true, however we cannot judge salvation. We all have our opinions based on what people do but who really knows? Test the spirit by the spirit but in what spirit are you testing when you test?<br /><br />Once saved always saved. If this is not true, then Jesus died for nothing. I think the point the woman was making is she would not hold malice in her heart for him and she has forgiven him. Context is so important. God will complete a good work if Gilyard is saved. I am not defending the man, however no one knows if a person is saved or not even if they act a fool. When we say that most of the time we are comparing the person to ourselves. I have been guilty of that in the past.<br /><br />Let’s not turn this blog into the attack the victim’s mother. I have known her for years and I know she does not mean it the way many of you are reading into what was written. Let it die. The families of Gilyard and of the victims have suffered enough. Fill this blog with praise that God saw this event through with Gilyard and Gilard was stopped.<br /><br />CollinsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-29211447545129023942009-05-22T18:36:22.396-04:002009-05-22T18:36:22.396-04:00One thing leads to another and things are misunder...One thing leads to another and things are misunderstood...I am not meaning to belittle theology in any way and that was not the best way to present it, my mistake. <br />What I mean is that the simpler message that I was trying to show (the reason for posting her comments) was that the message of forgiveness was expressed in the midst of the crisis, and then the irony of the fact that she was speaking to her former shepherd (wolf in sheep's clothing)...<br /><br />I am not going to respond anymore though (smile) because I am apparently not doing a very good job of explaining...and I don't want to come across the way I apparently am right now...sorry for the confusion, I was trying to clear it up but I think I made it worse, smile.<br />Going out for a bit, best to leave this alone...Tiffany Thigpen Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11657259194527290975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-61369534532416738172009-05-22T18:01:26.053-04:002009-05-22T18:01:26.053-04:00Tiffany I by no means won't to be critical of the ...Tiffany I by no means won't to be critical of the mother or you. I won't to make it clear that I'm not judging Darrell as un-saved! But at the same time just because he says he is saved does not means he is saved[cf.Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8].Therefore the only indentifying evidence that we have is what the Word of God reveals to us in spotting them! This is why I said Theology is so important. The Bible gives us a composite of what these unregenerate people or Pastor's look like. You have to wonder why Pastors and preachers don't preach more on these truths considering that Jesus and many of the N.T. passages warn us over and over that as the approach of Christ nears that there will be a flood of false prophets and false christ dotting the landscape and unfortunetly the Bible also reveals that they will be highly successful in their deception[Matt.24:5,11,24]! This is why Jesus stated that you will know them by their fruit! Other passages of Scripture help to expose chracteristics that enable discerning believers as too what these interlopers look like! Blatant habitual unrepentant sin is always a chracteristic of the unregenerate person[1John 1:5-6;3:6-10]! What I am saying is that Darrell's 20+ years of blatant,open,unrepentant sin and the abusing of the people of God are the signs of and unbeliever! The Apostle Paul was not only a blasphemer,but a murderer. Yet when Christ stopped and blinded him on the road to Damascus,Paul did not continue to murder and blaspheme God. There's not one example in Scripture of a true man or women of God displaying a life time of blatant sinful actions with disregard of God! Yes we all still sin because of the flesh's influence(Rom.7),but the true believers mind has been renewed and he begins to sin less[2Cor.5:17]! What we are doing today is lowering the bar to accomodate mans love of darkness! With the bar lowered we can now entertain and indulge in sins that earlier Christian would have abhored. As a matter of facts lets not talk about sin at all is the message I AM HEARING FROM MOST OF OUR PULPITS,easy believism,watered down theology,plastic feel good platitudes that stir the emotions,but build no strong,stable theological foundation to increase our knowledge of God and His desires for how we live! And that is why the Darrell's of the world will continue to pilfer the unlearned and the indifferent believers! Tiffany I have a motto: "DEFECTIVE THEOLOGY,LEADS TO DEFECTIVE THINKING,THAT LEADS TO DEFECTIVE LIVING"!!! There's no way to avoid that formula! Love You to the max in Christ!!!Bro./Pastor Rod H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-63674929327357540582009-05-22T17:12:50.486-04:002009-05-22T17:12:50.486-04:00Sometimes we get so tied up in "theology" that we ...Sometimes we get so tied up in "theology" that we miss the more simple messages...<br /><br />The problem was more with what you said Tiffany. Yes what the mother said was taken out of context even if DG did say it. It was still taken out of context. But, then you kind of mimimized theology. Yes, we are told to come as children...meaning to be willing to be taught- knowing that eventually we will become mature adults in the faith. Better understanding the Word of God in time. <br />This is the problem: a lot of preachers make up their own theology and lead many astray or leave them ignorant. False theology has to be combated in the hope that we will all grow and mature in the Lord day by day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-88859665849721456532009-05-22T16:49:26.426-04:002009-05-22T16:49:26.426-04:00For anyone to say or think that DG or anybody cann...For anyone to say or think that DG or anybody cannot be saved would be judging. I don't believe that was the intent of anyone who commented about the mother's remark at all. No on can say that but God. Because no one knows but God. But, one can say that DG or any other person living a life of habitual sin is at that time not saved. But, if he or anyone else repents there awaits salvation for the soul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-34905896582582248492009-05-22T16:40:27.892-04:002009-05-22T16:40:27.892-04:00Tiffany,
I don't think that the mother's word's w...Tiffany,<br /><br />I don't think that the mother's word's will hurt her. The point is that her words have to be made clearer than they were. Even if she meant something other than what she said, it still needs to be clarified. Which is what we are trying to do, only to make sure that others completely understand. Again, context is very serious in understanding scripture. And again, one can make righteous judgement concerning Gilyard's salvation based on HIS habitual life of sinning. One can conclude (publicly) that he is lost when you mirror his life to that of the Holy Scriptures. This too is godly counsel from the very mouth of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-15178708701625003102009-05-22T16:06:31.385-04:002009-05-22T16:06:31.385-04:00Pastor Rod,
I agree with everything you said...yo...Pastor Rod, <br />I agree with everything you said...you and I have shared this conversation before and you know that I agree with you, you know where I stand. <br />But publicly I have been advised (by Godly counsel) not to make such statements and stand in judgement of him publicly that way.<br /><br />My taking up fo rthe mother is from the perspective that she should not be attacked for what she shared and I do not feel anyone was taking that statement to mean that he is a believer and can go on sinning, he's covered...I think that many have taken her statements and made a case out of them and I think it is being misinterpreted. I asked her permission to share because the message to me is about forgiveness by her to DG despite his actions and despite the fact that he has never shown remorse or asked their forgiveness - with that being said I think there was an extraordinary lesson is this extension by her and I will continue to applaud this.<br />The courtromm was buzzing, people were applauding - because in the midst of the people realizing who was standing before them (child molester was being murmured around me) this woman got up and gave a message of forgiveness and a call to action to DG - she was not assuming he is saved, she simply made a statement based on some of his own preaching, she used some of us his own misleading messages against him..."sin is an inside job", she admonished him that he is not forgiven of sin UNLESS he repents/confesses and that his pride is getting in the way of that...<br /><br />I truly believe if she had stood there and stated that he could not be saved based on his actions - everyone would be commenting against that too...and ears would have tuned her out. <br />I know where she stands, I have heard her heart, she has been through so much and this was a huge thing for her to do. I hope that my asking her permission to use her words has not now hurt her based on this outpour of response.Tiffany Thigpen Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11657259194527290975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-31126485342499945572009-05-22T15:10:01.810-04:002009-05-22T15:10:01.810-04:00Tiffany I love you and supported you in your effor...Tiffany I love you and supported you in your efforts to stop Gilyard! With that said I have to agree with Mark and those responding as Mark has. God left His Book for a reason,and that reason is that man may know what is the "TRUTH" and what is "ERROR"!Without the Bible(Theology)truth is subject to any and everyones opinions! God is TRUTH,and without God there is no TRUTH. Tiffany you know that I sympathize with the mother in her desires and prayers for Darrell; I desire too see Darrell saved; "God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked"! But when one comes and makes a public statement that is Biblically incorrect,it is the responsibilty of the discerning believers to publicly address the error,due to the fact that countless people may read it and believe it to be true! The Bible is absolutely clear "That not everyone who says Lord,Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven".The Apostle Paul said "If anyone is in Christ they are "NEW CREATIONS";(That does not mean sinless,but it does mean they "SIN LESS").Their hearts are transformed,and being transformed into the image of Christ.! Further Jesus also stated you will know false shepherds by their "FRUIT"! Again Paul in his letter to the Galatians warned them in Chap.2 of "FALSE BRETHREN" infiltrating the sheep in order to spiritually enslave them. Jesus spoke of as previously mentioned by someone else,"TARES" among the "WHEAT".The Apostle John commanded that "WE"(true sheep)are not to believe every spirit,but "TEST"the spirits to see whether the are from God! Paul commanded that "WE" test everything and hold on the that which is good[1Thess.5:21]! Jesus again warned four times in Matt.24"5,10-11,24 of "FALSE CHRIST,FALSE PROPHETS,and FALSE BRETHREN infecting the true Church(Judas)! Tiffany,literally with possibly the exception of Philemon,every N.T. Book deals in oneway or another with false Prophets,false christ,false brethren and most definetly "FALSE DOCTRINE"!! If their are "false teachers and false brothers among the true brethren; "HOW AM I TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE"? Answer "YOU" will know them by their fruit[Matt.7:16,20].And you will know them by understanding the Bible(Theology)[2Tim.13-17]. Every true believer is being progressivly sanctified to look more and more like Christ! Their hearts have been changed they think differently and act differently. For 20+ years Darrell has preyed on the Lords sheep without ceasing and has never publicly with heart felt remorse apologized. Instead he has enlisted the aid of others,enablers,the knowing and unknowing,the Biblically illiterate to keep him insulated and safe from those who could see that he was a wolf in sheep clothing base on Theology,not feelings! Most of these so-called "PASTORS" for instance,like Gilyard count on the masses remaining Biblically ignorant so as to keep them in power; So as to allow their abuses to continue; And especially so as to fleece the flock for every penny they can con out of them. Got to keep the money coming in you know!!!!!With Darrel unforntunely it took the civil authorities to stop him when the Church by its God given right would'nt do anything to halt his rampage[1Cor.5:1-5,9-12;Rev.2:20-23]. "WHY"; Because most professing Christians are ignorant of "THEOLOGY" and that makes them ripe for the pickings by unscrupulous induviduals like Gilyard!!!Bro.Pastor Rod H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-47839636614310765942009-05-22T13:28:16.781-04:002009-05-22T13:28:16.781-04:00Also, I do agree that it was bad thrology that all...Also, I do agree that it was bad thrology that allowed Gilyard to get away with this for so long!! I second that!Tiffany Thigpen Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11657259194527290975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3042418563763538872.post-84755367874243967132009-05-22T13:26:55.547-04:002009-05-22T13:26:55.547-04:00Once again, I state I have been chastised myself a...Once again, I state I have been chastised myself and warned against stating that I do not believe he could be saved. It is also a concern of mine...I am not justifying his sin, nor in any way am I stating that I feel salvation is a blanket cover for sin - I do not believe this at all and also think that sin is taken too lightly today as many feel they "are covered" and then sin because they feel they can always pull out the grace card...I think this is wrong.<br />I agree that when God calls us unto Him, when we repent and receive His salvation it is a transformation. I posted the day of the trial that II Cor. 5:14-15,17 states that he died for all and those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and was raised again...therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! <br />I am not taking this point of view or his salvation lightly - in fact I have talked of it continually throughout the blog...it is a great concern.<br />It is also of great concern to me how many people have been led astray by Gilyard and have either denounced God all together or are walking around with bad theology and assume they are saved.<br />Very concerning. Heartbreaking actually.Tiffany Thigpen Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11657259194527290975noreply@blogger.com